I’m debating with someone who claims to know how old the Earth, Universe is. Claiming 14 billion years. I told him nobody really knows; it’s all speculation, opinions, theories. I can appreciate science, scientists, the intellectual elite … But some things are not meant to be known, namely 3 things … 1 and 2 … The Universe, Earth, when were they created. 3 … What happens when you die. Insight please ???
Persons claiming to know 1 and 2 are just passing along what they’ve been told. I’m really open- minded, but bold claims to knowing something so infinite I feel almost insult my intelligence. Am I being dismissive or possibly ignorant to science ???
Any number of theories can only give speculative answers based on scientific investigation, or religious faith and belief to determine the age of the universe and the earth. I give credence to both because I prefer to be open-minded; however, there are certain things that have to be taken into consideration before a positive answer can be arrived at.
Scientific answers are limited by the extent that science investigation itself has revealed to those who concern themselves with such matters. The faith and belief idea comes from studying biblical references, arcane knowledge, and ancient cultures that suggest previous contact with other species.
If you take into consideration the scientific approach and the instruments that are used to determine vast distances in time and space, you can readily come to a mathematical conclusion that the universe is approximately 15 billion years old. I, personally, reject that notion because of my belief that there never was a beginning (or therefore, a presumptive ending). If in fact, anything is constant relative to that initial event, it would have to take the form of a permanent and constant beginning.
Biblically, if you count the years in Genesis up to the present, you come up with the Creationist notion that the world is 5777 years, starting from Adam and His alter ego, Eve. That idea is based on man’s perception of time and space.
Another idea, and one that holds for me as the possibility of reality, is that on the first day, God said, “Let there be light,” on the second day, third day, etc., up to, of course, the seventh day.
However, when thinking in the seven days of creation modality, it is essential that you do not restrict “day” to a humanized 24-hour cycle. In the creation perspective, one day of God’s time could easily be billions of years.
So, that leaves the great unanswered question of what and why are we here in the first place. And, as you know, God does not function through time and space, at least in the dimensions we understand or speculate about.
Deep study of the creation event brings about the need to study high-end Kabalistic meditation, and that’s another story altogether. Don’t touch it! Sometimes, I wish I never did. Kabalistic meditation, in my view, and this has nothing to do with Judaism, is the heaviest thing I have ever encountered more than Tao, Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., and led me to the discovery of Self-Revealization Acceptance (I do not remember if you have read this), along with a total subjection of myself into the pit of insanity. (There, true confession. LOL)
Now, as far as death is concerned … to my thinking it is merely a transitional event in that your personal ideas prevail at the given instant of the experience. I am being vague for a particular reason in that it is impossible for ANYONE to know, and probably not even when it is encountered. It is easy to get confused when so many ideas about ‘death’ exist, and many of them are from so-called reliable sources. My own idea is that it is a massive orgasm of profound proportion—way beyond anything you have ever experienced, even when you may have shouted out, “Oh, God!” or perhaps your partner did. I am serious with this! The French even refer to the orgasm itself as “la petite morte,” little death.
Let me close with this:
Disciple: “Master, what happens when we die?’
Master: “Nothing! You don’t.”
Disciple: “We don’t?”
Master: “No. You go to sleep and wake up on the other side.”
Disciple: “What other side?”
Disciple: ”What’s ‘that?”
© SFK 2016